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| Romantic Suspense Workshop - January 11, 1999 |
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Cissy - Well, now that it's 9:30p, I guess we should officially get started...
Hilary - I second that
stella - L, would you care to give us a first name, please?
Danyelle - logged on.
stella - ready here
Volterra - btw, my nick is volterra, but my name is Leanne. I've been on the net too long :)
Hilary - Are you on RWALink, Leanne?
Volterra - no I'm not, Hilary.
Cissy - I know you all have a lot of questions for Stella and this should be lots of fun. There aren't a lot of rules here. Just keep in mind the room can get busy when we're all typing at once. Once Stella's recognized a question and is answering, if we can hold off on posting until she's done, it will probably cause the least confusion.
Hilary - Thought I recognized you, never mind
LMeiseles - Stella, my first name is Linda
stella - shall we begin?
Volterra - s'ok Hilary :)
Cissy - Seems like a great groups, so I'm excited. Stella, I don't really have anything else, if you want to take it away...
stella - Welcome. This should be fun. We've settled on romantic suspense as our topic. I'm comfortable with any and all questions--this doesn't mean I have all the answers. I'm going to start with a few questions that were submitted early.
stella - BTW, I am perfectly happy to entertain questions on other subjects.
stella - First question: More than one villain. How do you plan the least likely and most likely suspect.
Hilary - We're all eyes, Stella
stella - he questioner likes the idea of a best loved friend or relative as the evil but has a bad time establishing motive for such a chose character.
stella - A: If you choose to have a close friend or relative of the protagonist as the major villain, planning is everything. Motivation then becomes everything. Try looking at the villain at the very first moment when he ore she came to know the protagonist
stella - In childhood?
stella - Thousands of motives there from jealousy, to thwarted love to one-sided achievement that eventually grinds the villain down. This person, of course, must have had the seeds of "going bad" all along.
stella - Is that adequate? Are there still questions on the topic?
Jean - Just one. What do you mean by seeds?
Cissy - How do you display those seeds without giving away to your reader that they're the villain?
stella - I mean that the villain must have had some basic tendency to be able to go wrong in the end.
Volterra - could the villain be "grey" as in it's a motive that conflicts with our heroes? In that s/he's not bad just -- heading in a different direction...
stella - How without giving away? POV. POV makes or breaks any story.
Hilary - Cissy, good point - how not to foreshadow too heavily
Cissy - meaning you only get the hero or heroine's perspective of the villain?
stella - Obviously you must be very careful how you "look" at the action If you use the villian's pov, you must be careful to choose what he/she sees.
stella - No, as far as I'm concerned, you can use multiple and still hide the villain.
stella - Just finished Key West and the villain's pov is throughout
stella - Hilary: Foreshadowing must be treated with care at all times.
stella - spread out the clues/hints, and as long as they're definitely there, assume your readers are getting a fair chance to spot them.
stella - ga
stella - Volterra--just saw your post--yes, the villain can be gray.
Cissy - Stella, when you showed the villain's POV in key west was it as a nameless/faceless person, or did we see through the eyes of a particular character and still not recognize them as the villain. That would seem to be very difficult.
stella - You will read through the eyes of the villain and not recognize.
stella - Hi, Danyelle
stella - Let's look at this another way
Hilary - I like to keep foreshadowing per se at a minimum, personal preference
stella - A villain as a person "in neutral."
stella - Yes, you're right about keeping down the foreshadowing.
Danyelle - Hi Stella, I really admire & study your use of POV. It's an art. One I haven't mastered . . .
stella - In neutral, each character interacts with all other characters.
Hilary - So you see a villain as being largely neutral? How?
stella - Opinions, likes and dislikes start to form--for readers as well as writers.
Hilary - Oh, sorry...
stella - The story progresses, and you the writer start playing with the readers' ideas.
Danyelle - I think that the most "striking" villains interact w/ everyone & have a regular place in the lives of the H/H.
Jean has timed out.
stella - the reader goes one way, then another. You lead him/her toward one character, then toward another. As the story progresses, you intensify efforts
stella - to help readers settle on a villain.
stella - while you are off tee-heeing with the real baddie. Never cheat by not giving the reader every chance to win the game.
stella - ga
Hilary - good point, that last one
Volterra - dumb q: what does "ga" stand for?
stella - go ahead
stella - not dumb
Volterra - thanks :)
stella - May I make a small confession?
stella - I have been known to change my mind about the identity of the villain.
Volterra - only if you promise to save two hail marys after *grin*
Hilary - No kidding -- how do you fix THAT?
stella - Oh, no, a player to my Catholic guilt.
Jean - logged on.
Cissy - Oh, that's just mean! *g* How are we supposed to figure it out if you lead us down one path and then switch trails. *g*
stella - Hi again, Jean.
stella - Fix it? Oh, I find it the most delicious kind of interference.
Cissy - Volterra, how exactly do you save Mary. Isn't she already "full of grace?" *ducking*
Jean - Sorry, I got logged out. :)
Volterra - Cissy: hey, you said typos were allowed *pout* :)
Cissy - Stella, do you have more questions you want to lay on us or are you ready for us to start lobbing them from the peanut gallery?
stella - What happens is that I have been fooled myself. Fine. The light goes on for me, just as it can go on for the sharp reader, heh, heh
Volterra - stella: do you go back and rewrite once you change your mind, to add a hint earlier?
Cissy - Sorry, V. :-)
stella - Okay, I should cover one or two more.
Hilary - Oh, you do not have to rewrite the whole ms, then?
stella - Q: What drives the focus of the primary plot device. Is it a case of playing good against evil. Is it better to place he person in an untenable position? This questioner tends to find his/her plot disintegrating because there isn't enough plot to sustain development.
stella - No, V--the story evolves as it evolves.
stella - A: Overplot. Go ahead and overplot. Whacking out
stella - 't need--even pulling out an entire thread you've already started is simple. Padding an inadequate plot is the kiss of death.
stella - comments?
Hilary - When you say overplot, what do you mean -- more subplots or more red herrings, what>
LMeiseles - Can you make the plot to complex and lose the reader's interest. How do you keep from doing this?
Hilary - Or do you mean more character development?
Melanie - How do you plot? I'm embarrassed to admit it, but my last five books I just sat down and started writing (think that is the problem) but I can't seem to help myself
stella - I mean, work up many angles to explore. Keep poking around in the plot stew to find more possible climactic events. Just use what you find really excites you.
stella - Meanie: Oh--note the slight pause here!
stella - I think it's fine to "just write" but if you don't at least consider structure, you're likely to have an uneven book.
Hilary - Oh, she's not REALLY mean...
stella - How do I plot?
Sheri - How extensive an outline do you generally prepare before you start writing?
Hilary - Sorry couldn't help myself
stella - Sheri: Not extensive. Maybe 7-8pages.
Hilary - You do it all in your head beforehand, then?
stella - Mean people are mean because they care, Hilary. And I have a bridge I want to sell...
Sheri - do you generally have an ending in mind, or does the story change as you write?
Volterra - I do all mine in my head ... switches tracks sometimes when I start to write.
Volterra - (partic. plot points that made perfect sense whilst half-asleep) *grin*
LNSchen - logged on
stella - I write from that outline--as I start. I probably write four or five chapters, then I stop and allow myself to wander all over the place. Whenever the story feels flat, or lacking, I get on the computer and start listing points. Sometimes I list a hundred or so and each one is a developmental point. then, and then, etc.
Danyelle - Stella, do you do extensive character sketches in addition to your plot outline? I have more about my people than my plot.
Hilary - You must be very organized, then.
stella - Oh, the wondrous things I produce in my sleep. Too bad I've never remembered one of them.
Sheri - I think my story will evolve too, but because it's my first book I'm worried about getting off track and going off on tangents
Cissy - do you also do a lot of work on character development before you start writing?
Volterra - one of those tracks would be the right one, surely, Sheri :)
stella - No, I don't do character sketches. That part of the work is all in y head. I've spent my life in another world--my dearly departed mother would be glad to concur on that. I just walk around talking to all these people. I find it best if I rarely go out!
Melanie - Points?
stella - Hi, LN Schen
Diana - logged on.
stella - Surely, Melanie--ga
stella - Hi, Diana
Danyelle - logged off. - Mon Jan 11 10:08pm EST
LNSchen - Hi :-)
Hilary - stella, I agree with you about the real world!
Volterra - someone else who doesn't do character sketches: I think I'm in love, stella *grin*
Cissy - The real world is overrated. :-)
Danyelle - logged on.
stella - Nasty place, H, you can't control anything. We writers are the ultimate control freaks.
Melanie - Stella, I concur with the characters being in your head. That is one thing I've never had a problem with. It is plotting (and then writing the dreaded query and synopsis)
Hilary - Too true. Hey, another defense retort against Himself!
stella - V--all we have to do is come out of our holes and we find like spirits.
Volterra - I was beginning to think char. sketches with de rigeur :)
Cissy - So Stella, do these people already exist in your head and you create a story for them? Or do you outline a plot and then create characters to plop in the middle of it?
LMeiseles - I have to write bios
Volterra - er, with = were
Sheri - I always had little movies playing in my head. But I was afraid to write because I didn't have any ideas...duh...
Hilary - My very biggest problem, and the reason I'm probably not pubbed yet is -- conflict.
stella - LM Bios are fine. Lots of people do them. Unfortunately they don't help me.
Volterra - LM: I do that when I get stuck with what I want to do with the char. I sit down and have a good chat with them.
stella - Cissy: people come first, then their problems
Cissy - Isn't that always the way *g*
Hilary - The people carry their problems with them, don't they?
LMeiseles - Why is that the characters sometimes seem to talking without your help and you wonder where that came from??
Sheri - I'm with you Hilary, sometimes it's hard to know if you've got enough conflict to sustain an entire book without having your readers nod off...
Jean - Sounds like you're in the zone LM
stella - So, it's character, conflict, story, motivation, then I may consider occupation with may come from the conflict. (this addresses another question I was asked.) I don't like superficial reasons for people to fall in love or to trust each other. And I HATE misunderstandings. If you're going to use misunderstandings--clear them up fast.
LMeiseles - And, Jean, what zone is that?
Hilary - Sheri, I hate it in real life, realize the necessity in writing, but at least I can make it all nice and pretty in a book, hard to resist playing neatnick instead of Vlad the Destroyer
stella - there's room for destroyer and builder
Hilary - stella, AMEN
stella - without both elements, we're back to flat
stella - It's important to paint your characters much larger than life
Hilary - Oh, as far as conflict goes, I solve it fast and get to the nice stuff. BLAND
Jean - That magical place where your subconscious and conscious mind actually meet and produce some interesting work. Must admit, this is still a rare accordance for me though :)
stella - Come now, Hilary--you're bashing yourself. We're supposed to be helping each other with that.
stella - Jean: The magical moments are what we write for
stella - grab 'em when they arrive, then get ready to whine and cry until another one comes along. The only thing we don't get to do is quit.
Jean - It's paradise when it all comes together, purgatory when it doesn't
stella - I'm comfortable with you all lobbing questions if you like.
Sheri - Stella, slightly off topic and I know everyone's different, but how many words, pages do you write each day on average?
Sheri - I'm trying to set realistic goals for myself
stella - average 12-15
Danyelle - Jean & Hilary, there is nothing better than reading some snatch of a scene you wrote some time back & realizing that it really is good. Hang in there!
stella - rough
Jean - Thanks Danyelle :)))
Hilary - Stella/Danyelle: Thanks
stella - Danyelle--good advice
LMeiseles - I don't know the difference between mainstream suspense and romantic suspense. I can't figure out which I am writing.
Sheri - 12-15 words...hey just like me! LOL!
Melanie - Here's my first lob. . .have you ever written a story, great characters (at least you think) and then realize you really don't have a strong conflict?
Hilary - Oh, you read my third ms, did you?
stella - Yes
stella - the the job is to rethink, tear apart, reconstruct
stella - it's fun.
Hilary - So you can save it no matter what you see is wrong with it?
Hilary - That's great, maybe there IS hope for me!
stella - logged on.
Cissy - Stella, when you first started writing, did you allow others to read your unpublished work, and how much credence did you give their criticism?
stella - that was cute--bye,bye with no warning.
stella - Yes, you can save a story, but it's always possible you may decide you don't want to.
Volterra - or at least save the good bits for another story.
Hilary - That's the trick -- knowing which is which!
stella - I'm usually too involved with characters and conflict to throw them out
Hilary - Or you love them, and cannot let them wither away unwritten
stella - I don't think I've ever saved something and used it elsewhere.
stella - Cissy--on letting others read early work
Hilary - Did you ever have anything left over to use?
LMeiseles - I've learned never to throw out anything because you never know when it can be used. This has happened to me many times
stella - I went to classes for several years and we were expected to read aloud
stella - actually, the prof read aloud. I have some wonderful, horrible stories from those times.
Danyelle - Some of the most intriguing novels are set at a different/distant pt. in a relationship. True Bliss was set after the H/H had parted ways . . . Sometimes I'm convinced my less than successful writing is simply a case of bad timing. . . .
stella - People used to think it was funny to put brown bags over their heads when my stuff was read--but they were never absent when the next chapter was due...
Cissy - I know what you mean, Stella. I have a drawer full of wonderful, horrible stories from creative writing classes. :-)
Hilary - Ha! Romance wins more secret converts, eh?
stella - Thanks for the kudo on True Bliss, Danyelle
Melanie - Stella....stories......can you relay one or two?
stella - They come out of the woodwork, H. I live in a condo. 21 units. I know all these people have a standing order
stella - at the local bookstore because they mention my stuff out of the blue.
Hilary - Love it!
stella - Then I checked at the store and found out!!!
Melanie - I'm also dying to know how long you wrote before you got published, number of rejections, etc.
Cissy - lol...
Hilary - The Secret Readers' Society
stella - Melanie: I have sat in classrooms where people actually said they'd never write stuff like "that." As far as I know they're still in those classrooms. I left about 18 years ago.
stella - I worked for about 2 years before publishing a novel.
stella - I was bumped off again but I'm ba-ack!
Danyelle - Stella, you know the one thing I find most consistent in your work it that fact I can't resist turning pages to find out what happens next! Creative writing is sort of a "rite of passage" I suppose!
Melanie - Stella, I know what you're talking about. I think to write a good romance you have to be beyond creative and smart. My postman thinks they are those "heavy breather" stories. I hate when people belittle
stella - I think it is. It's also part of our craft to develop style/voice that whips the reader on
Melanie - Was that first novel with Avon?
Cissy - Danyelle, that's exactly what it is about Stella's writing. You have to turn the next page. They're not always comfortable reads, but they always suck you in completely.
stella - No, my first novel was a Superromance for Harlequin. I wrote 25 books for HAR.
Melanie - Was that first novel with Avon?
stella - then I wrote for Avon, then Warner and Kensington.
stella - Melanie--forget the snipers--they don't matter to you.
Hilary - <gulp> How many books so far?
Cissy - Do you recommend writers aim first at the category market, Stella?
stella - You have something they don't have--an interesting place to go at all time.
stella - 45 novels and novellas, I think
Danyelle - Cissy, they suck you in & stick w/ you for a LONG time! That power is amazing!
stella - Cissy, I think the category market is a wonderful place to visit.
stella - This gives the best discipline I can think of. You learn
Cissy - operative word, "visit," I take it. Kind of a training ground?
Melanie - Was that first novel with Avon?
Danyelle - I think categories demand incredible restraint & structure because of the page restrictions.
stella - to take some of the most outrageous criticism, and to learn from some very good criticism.
stella - Danyelle--you're right
Sheri - Is it totally unrealistic to think you sell a single title with your first novel? I'm worried my story won't fit category.
stella - Melanie--first book for Superromance, Har
stella - No, Cissy, I have friends who always have and always intend to work in the category field. It gives them the forum they need.
Melanie - Sorry, stella.....for some reason that one question repeated itself. Apologies
stella - No, Sheri, it's not unrealistic to think you may sell a first novel as a single title.
Hilary - Stella: Did you write it specifically for SuperR, or did they place it there, bought it because they like it?
stella - BTW, I have good friends with whom I share work. We read for each other.
stella - I wrote specifically for Super.
Hilary - Thanks, ruin another of my dearly held myths
stella - What did happen was that a book called ALL THAT SPARKLES that I wrote for Super got sneaked off for Intrigue.
stella - That was after a number of books.
stella - Sorry, Hilary!
Hilary - Yeah, sure whatever <sniffle>
stella - Oh, they did buy the book because they liked it!
stella - Danyelle--finished Key West today--Yahooo
Hilary - No, not that -- that a good book can find a number of homes.
Hilary - Category really is that strict, I mean.
stella - Oh, Hilary--Of course a good book can find a number of homes.
stella - I've seen some lousy books find a number of homes, too!
LNSchen - logged on
Danyelle - Congratulations, Stella! Are you going to vacation, now?
stella - Hi, LN
Hilary - Stella, Q: Do you find that you get as much editorial input now as when you were first starting out?
Sheri - Stella--do you revise much as you go, or do it at the end?
Sheri - oops, didn't mean to be a buttinsky Hilary!
LNSchen - Hello. :-) Don't mind me. Seem to have encountered a technical difficulty.
Danyelle - Hilary, the category slush-pile of unsolicited, but read anyway, books is monstrous . . . They need those guidelines.
stella - logged on.
Hilary - Danyelle, do you mean editors need g-lines, or writers?
Diana has timed out.
stella - I don't get as much editorial input but it's very often great input. I regard my editors as partners.
stella - I am a reviser at heart. I revise a lot
Danyelle - Both, I believe . . . w/ the high turn over of editors . . . A starting pt. is prob'ly needed.
stella - I revise as I go and at the end.
Hilary - I guess I mean, some authors' more recent works are not as well cleaned up as they might be -- not you but I see a trend of sloppiness in publishing in general. Not trying to toss grenades, now, just an observation.
stella - Oh, thanks, Hilary!
Danyelle - Stella, how do you keep from getting looped into the "gotta revise just one more chapter?"
Hilary - So you are your best editor/reviser, then.
stella - Actually, I do work really hard on producing clean work--I know you weren't aiming that at me, but it was cute.
Hilary - have a friend who proofs for Doubleday, and I see some real dogs
stella - My best editors are the folks in New York and my writer friends. I need distance and help--just like everyone else.
Hilary - Good to know, you put your pantyhose on one leg atta time, huh?
Danyelle - Hilary, I read for HAR & HIR for several yrs. . . wanna talk dogs?! :-)
stella - I know where I'm read to let go, Danyelle. When I sent off KW today, I wanted to see if I could get it back, but I just have to grow up and start the next book.
Hilary - Danyelle, no thanks, I have judged many a contest!
Danyelle - Maybe deadlines are a necessary evil? Can't wait for KW!
Sheri - Speaking of contests...are they worthwhile for a beginner?
stella - I'm scared of being kicked off--is that a phobia?
stella - I think contests are excellent, Sheri.
stella - They force you to put yourself out there.
stella - They force you to put yourself out there.
Hilary - I think it depends on whether there is substantive feedback from the judges -- and whether the judges are good
stella - You must learn not to take every single comment as gospel, though.
Sheri - Stella-did you have an agent in the beginning?
Hilary - Uh oh, here's where I came in...
stella - Yes--I was very fortunate.
stella - That was because I won a contest.
stella - Anyone want to talk about the biz right now?
Sheri - Yes!
stella - see a lot of negative feelings around
Hilary - Have any of your books been made into audio or e-books?
Hilary - Any $ to be made there, in your opinion?
stella - ask questions or make comments
stella - Yes, I've had audio. Money is okay.
Sheri - There seems always to be trends in what's popular..any inside scoop for us?
LMeiseles - logged off.
Hilary - Good!
stella - I don't believe publishing is going up the spout.
stella - I believe we've been through very rough times because (primarily) of distribution problems. But I see things swinging up again.
Melanie has timed out.
Volterra - I'm bummed that the stories I love to write/dream up are going down the tube -- regencies and time travel ...
Sheri - ack...don't say that about time travel. Am I doomed?
Cissy - publishers also seem to be turning away from sci-fi and paranormals. And I love those too.
Volterra - I saw a petition on the RW-L list recently ... wouldn't the govt be checking into the monopoly of the purchase anyway?
Jean - Do you see a good future for e-pubs. Do you think any of the big houses might branch into this?
stella - Romantic suspense is doing well. I believe time travel is on an upswing.
Danyelle - Stella, do you believe that the Internet has impacted sales, PR, or distribution?
Jean - Do you see a good future for e-pubs. Do you think any of the big houses might branch into this?
Volterra - Cissy: but the e-publishers are pushing those.
Volterra - stella: goodie!
Hilary - Have you had to shorten a book to fit a specific slot in the printing schedule? Tech question, I know, but I have heard of it more and more
stella - logged on.
Cissy - In fact, romantic suspense seems to be the new "hot" genre, right now, don't you think? Everyone seems to be doing.
stella - I think the Internet is playing its part in publishing today.
Hilary - What houses, Cissy?
Jean - logged on.
stella - No, I've never shortened a book.
Hilary - Phew, thanks
stella - Many, many writers are trying to move to RS.
Cissy - I'm thinking primarily single title releases, Hilary
stella - I don't think the regency will ever totally disappear.
Cissy - And they're not all doing it well, Stella. Present company excepted, of course.
stella - We'll all get hungry enough to either write 'em or demand 'em.
Cissy - Which makes me wonder, how do you know if you're doing it "well," that everyone isn't going to see through all your plot devices and red herrings and say "Oh, the killer is obviously Mrs. Tolliver"?
stella - Thanks, Cissy. It's tough to write in a genre you don't love--don't think I could do it.
Sheri - The good news (I guess) about shrinking markets is that, from a reader's perspective, the product might be of higher calibre.
stella - Cissy, I AM doing it well! Are you suggesting you pick out my nasty people and you're always right? Ducking.
Hilary - But it isn't which mystifies me no end
Hilary - Oh, that was to Sheri
Cissy - LOL! I said "present company excepted!" I haven't managed to snag one of your villains yet, Stella.
stella - Come on--who knows my villains from the moment they appear--and is right at the end of the book.
Cissy - the "you" in my question was a rhetorical "you" *g*
Sheri - Hey, I have to find some glimmer of good news Hilary :-)
stella - Thank you, Cissy--bowing humbly.
Hilary - Sheri: Weeeell, you *did* try.
stella - If we look at the biz and see it as evolving wonderfully, growing, becoming more sophisticated, etc., we can only be happy and enthusiastic, right?
Hilary - Stella: What planet is that happening on?
stella - And there are people present who are producing some great stuff--they just have to get it out there . . .
stella - Is anyone writing historical romantic suspense, or am I a loner in that?
Hilary - I sometimes think America is deliberately walking backwards in the sophistication dept.
Cissy - Stella, sometimes I think we are dissatisfied with some of the books we see published now because our tastes evolve as the genre does. If we look at it over time, I think what's being written now is miles above what was being written (as a whole) 15 or 20 years ago.
stella - Hilary--Earth. Believe me, it's true.
Hilary - Stella: I am doing contemps only
stella - If you listen to the nay-sayers, they'll drag you down and they are WRONG.
stella - Cissy: I absolutely sympathize with you
Hilary - Stella: It's not the nay-sayers so much as my own perceptions, admittedly I am brain-fried right now as far as my own work goes.
Volterra - stella: I have an idea for a Hist. RS :)
Sheri - It's great to hear some positive news for a change. As a new fiction writer, I've been getting a little discouraged with hearing how hard it is to sell a good book.
Hilary - Cissy: Yes, but good work holds up over time, always
stella - there are times when I go looking for more reading material and I can't find anything. But then long comes something new and great.
Volterra - besides, even if the nay-sayers are true. I will have written stories *I* enjoy reading, even if no publisher wants 'em.
stella - I have seen a lot of very mediocre stuff out there but I think it will diminish in a natural manner.
Hilary - Vol: new genre for you?
Hilary - Stella: Hope you're right.
stella - Volterra,good luck with the hist RS. It's a great genre.
Volterra - well, the romance part isn't :) but the suspense is. That's why I'm here :)
LNSchen - logged off.
stella - I've started a new hist rs series and I'm having a ball.
Sheri - Volterra - I agree, I'm writing in a so-called limited category for my first novel because I'm writing the stories I like to read.
Hilary - A whole series? Are the stories inter-related?
Volterra - Is this the Key West one, stella?
Danyelle - Cissy, will you be posting the transcript for this session somewhere?
stella - No, the first book is More and More--out in a few weeks. I call the books "Mayfair Square," but that's just because I think of them that way.
Volterra - dang, I gotta go. Cissy -- let us know when the transcript is up!
stella - Key West is contemporary.
Cissy - Yes, Danyelle. I'll be posting it at Writerspace and Stella will probably be posting it at her site as well.
Volterra - Stella, thank you for your time -- and Cissy -- thanks for arranging it!
Cissy - Definitely, V. Thanks for coming.
Volterra - stella: I'll keep my eye out for it!
Volterra - bye!
Jean - I've gotta fly as well, but I want to thank-you all for a great chat. Thanks Stella, I learned some new things.
Hilary - Bye, V!
Volterra - logged off.
Danyelle - Stella, I'll be in line for More & More! Got book store gift certificates for Christmas!
Cissy - Actually, Volterra has great timing. We have about 2 minutes left! Any final thoughts?
stella - It's been a pleasure. Thank you all for sharing time with me, and good luck on your work
Sheri - Thanks so much everyone for all the good tips!
Hilary - Thanks so much for your time, Stella. When is KW due out?
Jean - logged off.
stella - Final thoughts?
Cissy - Stella, thanks so much for taking time out to do this tonight.
Danyelle - Stella - Cissy . . . Thanks, as always!
Danyelle - logged off.
stella - My pleasure--hope to see you all again soon. Good night.
